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SlySoft DEAD

Post by hometheateruser » Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:54 pm

Hello all,

I am writing this as a very happy and paying user of MakeMKV; but one whom is also terribly afraid after today's news about SlySoft being shutdown...

http://www.slysoft.com/

https://forum.slysoft.com/threads/slysoft-closed.68304/

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016 ... perations/

I believe this news is EXTREMELY concerning to all those of us who cherish and take serious our right to play the media we own as we see fit.

My question is, what does this mean for the future of media freedom and in particular MakeMKV? Also, is MakeMKV based in some part of SlySoft's AnyDVD HD and their AACS decryption work? If so, what does this mean for MakeMKV?

Sincerely,

Dedicated MakeMKV User

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Re: SlySoft DEAD

Post by JeffR1 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:17 am

I'll take a stab at this and if I'm wrong, one the of the moderators or someone may correct me.

It could be because we are not actually making a 1 to 1 copy, but putting things in a MKV file which is open source and free.
Although I think there is an option to create a full back up and I am assuming that it would create an ISO file _ so who knows ???

The other reason and probably a better one is that the BETA's are always free, so from a legal stand point that changes things quite a bit.
How it legally changes things in our favor is another question, but I think that has something to do with it.

DVD FAB has the same (I'll call it a legal loop hole), they have free versions of their "Pass-Key"

It may not work with new discs, but it is free...

SlySoft's Any DVD HD was never free, except for the trial, but I don't think that counts.

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Re: SlySoft DEAD

Post by Chetwood » Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:40 am

JeffR1 wrote:The other reason and probably a better one
This is reason is just as bad as the first one and I have no idea under what rock you've been living for the last decade to imagine the Hollywood lawyers would let this slide, given the fact how they're actually forcing a company in another country (!) to abide by American laws.
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Re: SlySoft DEAD

Post by JeffR1 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:31 pm

Chetwood wrote:
JeffR1 wrote:The other reason and probably a better one
This is reason is just as bad as the first one and I have no idea under what rock you've been living for the last decade to imagine the Hollywood lawyers would let this slide, given the fact how they're actually forcing a company in another country (!) to abide by American laws.
Hey Chet !
Yeah, the Hollywood lawyers better not let this slide, they best make sure and put MKV where it belongs...

Care to actually add something intelligent, or did you miss another anger management class ?

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Re: SlySoft DEAD

Post by Chetwood » Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:44 pm

Hey Jeffr,

contrary to your idiotic legal "theories", I actually did add something intelligent to this discussion: as has been clearly demonstrated, ANY tool that circumvents copy protections on BDs will be targeted sooner or later, irrespective of the jurisdiction the manufacturer is based in. That's scary.

But keep on digging that hole, I'll fetch the Popcorn, genius.
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Re: SlySoft DEAD

Post by Kerry56 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 4:54 pm

Any decryption program for movies can and will be targeted. The more interesting part of this discussion is how Slysoft shutting down affects MakeMKV.

If MakeMKV relies on the AnyDVD HD online database in any manner (the program itself or the developers), then that resource may not be around for much longer. The servers are still up at the moment, and if you amend your host file, you can still access them with AnyDVD HD. But who knows how long those servers will continue to be online, and no new Blu-ray movies will be added to it.

DVDFab has already thrown in the towel concerning the new Ultra HD Blu-ray discs, and I don't think it is a coincidence that their announcement of this comes just a day after Slysoft shut down.

So, does Slysoft shutting down affect MakeMKV or not?

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Re: SlySoft DEAD

Post by JeffR1 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:48 pm

Chetwood wrote:Hey Jeffr,

contrary to your idiotic legal "theories", I actually did add something intelligent to this discussion: as has been clearly demonstrated, ANY tool that circumvents copy protections on BDs will be targeted sooner or later, irrespective of the jurisdiction the manufacturer is based in. That's scary.

But keep on digging that hole, I'll fetch the Popcorn, genius.
It's too bad we can't have a civil conversion with out you being rude and condescending.
If you find my first post in this thread not to your liking, it would be nice if you could just say it with out your sarcasm.

But, yeah, it's scary what the government does, but really what can we do about it ?
They make and break the laws to their advantage depending on what's in it for them.
You can make a safe bet that money was being paid off to certain people.

It was determined that we can make as many copies as we want, but breaking the copy protection on the disc is what's illegal.

Here is what I find confusing, SlySoft is based in another country with different laws, do they have
a different domain _ is it a .com ?
.com is the domain for the United States.
Why didn't SlySoft use SlySoft.ag (I think that's the correct domain for Antigua) ?

It probably wouldn't have mad a difference any way, but still.

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Re: SlySoft DEAD

Post by JeffR1 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:50 pm

Kerry56 wrote:Any decryption program for movies can and will be targeted. The more interesting part of this discussion is how Slysoft shutting down affects MakeMKV.

If MakeMKV relies on the AnyDVD HD online database in any manner (the program itself or the developers), then that resource may not be around for much longer. The servers are still up at the moment, and if you amend your host file, you can still access them with AnyDVD HD. But who knows how long those servers will continue to be online, and no new Blu-ray movies will be added to it.

DVDFab has already thrown in the towel concerning the new Ultra HD Blu-ray discs, and I don't think it is a coincidence that their announcement of this comes just a day after Slysoft shut down.

So, does Slysoft shutting down affect MakeMKV or not?
Do you have a link to that announcement ?
I'm not contradicting or questioning you, I would just like to read it.

EDIT:
Never mind, I found it.

http://www.myce.com/news/dvdfab-we-will ... ome-78698/

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Re: SlySoft DEAD

Post by Kerry56 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:13 pm

DVDFab announcement:

http://www.myce.com/news/dvdfab-we-will ... ome-78698/

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Re: SlySoft DEAD

Post by Chetwood » Thu Feb 25, 2016 7:26 pm

JeffR1 wrote:It's too bad we can't have a civil conversion with out you being rude and condescending.
Said the guy accusing others of missing anger management classes?
JeffR1 wrote:If you find my first post in this thread not to your liking, it would be nice if you could just say it with out your sarcasm.
It's not a matter of liking but of logic. Why would it matter to ANYONE that you're only ripping the main movie or with a tool you have not paid for? To the studios it's copyright infringement the moment a copy protection scheme is being circumvented and they don't care at all that making backups for personal use is legal in some countries. On the contrary, the US has been trying to force their crazy laws on other countries in various ways, like trade agreements. And being the bully they are they not only managed to illegally block Antigua's online gambling industry from serving US citizens but had the audicity to threaten them with sanctions should they dare to use the remedies offered by WIPO in response to the US violating WTO rules.
Kerry56 wrote:So, does Slysoft shutting down affect MakeMKV or not?
What makes you think MakeMKV relies on Slysoft in any way?
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Re: SlySoft DEAD

Post by Kerry56 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:55 pm

Chetwood wrote:
Kerry56 wrote:So, does Slysoft shutting down affect MakeMKV or not?
What makes you think MakeMKV relies on Slysoft in any way?
Its a long standing suspicion that the team of developers at Slysoft were the point of the spear when it comes to Blu-ray decryption. I believe there is even advice around here that states if MakeMKV fails to decrypt something properly, you should try it with AnyDVD HD. If MakeMKV leaned on their advances, then the road ahead gets rockier without Slysoft.

If that idea is unwarranted, it would be good to have that confirmed. Of course, as new protections appear, this will become apparent, one way or the other.
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Re: SlySoft DEAD

Post by Perene » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:16 pm

I have posted this information in another thread and I'll make the same suggestion here, hoping that you guys don't suffer from the same fate.
For the record, in Brazil there is no law against what AnyDVD does:

LINK

It´s possible to read the 1998 law here: http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/text.jsp?file_id=125393

And there are the amendments from the 2003 Penal Code (see article 184 here - and article here), however in both cases, only when there's direct/indirect profit, there's violation, otherwise nothing will happen. Backup of copyrighted content is allowed for the owner/private use. I don't recall any mentioning of any law or even case where someone has been sued for reverse engineering. Even Microsoft lost a case where they sued a company for making copies from the OS:

LINK

I don't know how other countries deal with this, so here's my suggestion. Although, as Mike Mozart would say in the "MegaUpload Dangerous Secrets affect YOU" Youtube video, you can't even have the slightest presence of your company in a country like the U.S. (or any other that caves to them), because that will make you a target. Megaupload had servers, if I am not mistaken, in one of those countries, even though they were based in Hong Kong, and that was used as an excuse to destroy them.
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Re: SlySoft DEAD

Post by Woodstock » Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:11 am

The servers for MakeMKV are in St. Petersburg, Russia. From a hosting standpoint, applicable law would be Russian. His payment processing company is in the US, so that might be a problem, but that could be changed.

Does MakeMKV have any dependencies on other projects? No clue. But I doubt anything from SlySoft is embedded in it.
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Re: SlySoft DEAD

Post by JeffR1 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:16 am

Woodstock wrote: But I doubt anything from SlySoft is embedded in it.
I don't think it does either, James over at SlySoft was quite adamant at times about that.

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Re: SlySoft DEAD

Post by Chetwood » Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:35 am

Kerry56 wrote:Its a long standing suspicion that the team of developers at Slysoft were the point of the spear when it comes to Blu-ray decryption.
Which in no way implies their technology was used when other people developed their own software.
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