Incomplete Segment maps in GUI if map is too long

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Mr. Red
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Incomplete Segment maps in GUI if map is too long

Post by Mr. Red »

I recently started to use the linked chapters feature of Matroska for seamless branching of different versions of a movie.
Instead of multiple large files for the different versions of a movie I now have only one slightly bigger file that contains all versions which saves a lot of space.

Creating these files is significantly more work since you have to extract all segments separately, mux them together in mkvtoolnix and sync the segment chapters with the original chapters.
Which brings me to the problem. You need to know the order in which the segments must be linked together.
Some discs consist of many segments and the order is sometimes all over the place, especially for alternate versions where segments get swapped with alternate ones. So you can't be sure that segment 800 is followed by segment 801 etc.
And if the segment map is too long MakeMKV shortens it and adds three dots at the end:

Example:

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Segment count: 57
Segment map: 875/1042,936/1099,877/1044,938/1100,879/1046,940/1101,881/1048,942/1102,883/1050,944/1103,885/1052,946/1104,888/1054,948/1105,890/1056,950/1106,894/1058,952/1107,896/1060,954/1108,898/1062,956/1109,900/1064,958/1110,902/1066,960/1111,904/1068,962/1112,906/1070,964/1113,908/1072,966/1114,910/1074,968/1115,912/1076,970/1116,914/1078,972/1117,916/1080,974/1118,918/1082,976/1119,...
I like to see the complete segment map in MakeMKV (extendable if too long, right click -> copy complete map, etc.)
And the possibility to add the segment number to the filename (which is currently not possible if I'm not mistaken: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=18313)
That would make the process of creating seamless branching mkvs a little bit easier.
flojo
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Re: Incomplete Segment maps in GUI if map is too long

Post by flojo »

How are you doing this now, by watching each segment? Or to put it another way, what is stopping you from scripting the process you're currently using?

I've never looked at it but I've wondered how to do it because even though I rip the entire disc, I'd still like to create playlists for alternate versions.

UPDATE: apparently 'makemkvcon' does this, but I haven't tried it and I'm not sure about the filenames. I do have the 'info' output for every 4k bluray I've dumped, so I'll check one later (althogh I'm not sure which ones have alternate branching)

https://lowtek.ca/roo/2021/correct-play ... or-bluray/
flojo
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Re: Incomplete Segment maps in GUI if map is too long

Post by flojo »

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Here's the info from Gladiator (2000), I don't see the segments.

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:~# ./makemkvcon info disc:0
MakeMKV v1.17.4 linux(x64-release) started
Profile parsing error: default profile missing, using builtin default
Using LibreDrive mode (v06.3 id=0FA242DD4D0B)
Using direct disc access mode
Evaluation version, 15 day(s) out of 30 remaining
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Radiocomms237
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Re: Incomplete Segment maps in GUI if map is too long

Post by Radiocomms237 »

flojo wrote:
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Here's the info from Gladiator (2000), I don't see the segments. ~
As far as I know the segment map is only displayed in the right-hand pane of the main MakeMKV window when you highlight a title in the left-hand pane. I've never seen it displayed in the log.

As to the OP, I must say that the truncating of the segment maps really annoys me as well, if there are 500 segments of a playlist then just print all 500 segment numbers!

It's not like the blank space in that pane is being used for anything else, although the list would likely need to "wrap" to additional lines.
Mr. Red
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Re: Incomplete Segment maps in GUI if map is too long

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flojo wrote:
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How are you doing this now, by watching each segment? Or to put it another way, what is stopping you from scripting the process you're currently using? [...]
My current (not optimized, manual) workflow:
  1. copy the segment map from the info box in the GUI in a text file
  2. go through the different titles and search for the segments of the list
  3. copy the file name of a matching segment and replace segment name in text file with the filename
  4. extract the segments
  5. merge them with mkvtoolnix in the correct order (standard version segments in order, alternative segments at the end)
  6. before muxing, set chapter generation for every segment
  7. extract original chapters
  8. open chapter editor for the created mkv
  9. import original chapters as additional edition
  10. generate end times for each chapter
  11. copy segment chapters of the matching version to edition of original chapters
  12. use auto sort by time (segments for alternate versions that are at the end of the file must be sorted manually)
  13. hide segment chapters
  14. split segment chapters that belongs to two original chapters
  15. set linked chapters flag for the edition
  16. repeat edition creation for all versions of the movie
  17. make sure all editions and chapters have unique ids (export chapters as xml, delete all identifier tags, re-import and save to let mkvtoolnix generate fresh ids)
  18. re-mux with metadata xml to name editions accordingly
Linked chapters also allow to link to other mkv files in the same folder. But some players don't keep the audio and subtitle selection when the file is switched. So I prefer to merge everything in one file. The standard version of the movie is always at the beginning in normal order so even if a player doesn't support linked chapters it can at least play the standard version.
VLC for example sometimes skips a few frames if chapters are not linked directly and a "jump" is necessary. MPC-HC on the other hand works great with linked chapters. Editions are shown with the correct names and all hidden and deactivate flags are honored.

I only started to use linked chapters instead of extracting each version as its own mkv file. Sadly media libraries like Jellyfin have no support for linked chapters at the moment, so I only use it for a few selected movies.
The chapter merge is something that can probably be automated. At least partly.
And after scanning the "makemkvcon -r info" output there is maybe a way to automate the segment filename mapping as well.
flojo
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Re: Incomplete Segment maps in GUI if map is too long

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What does "go through" mean in step 2?
Mr. Red wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2023 11:42 am
2. go through the different titles and search for the segments of the list
I guess you've seen this thread: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=16251&start=60

Mr. Red
Posts: 19
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:19 am

Re: Incomplete Segment maps in GUI if map is too long

Post by Mr. Red »

I never had trouble to find the correct playlists/segment maps since they are easily recognizable in the MakeMKV GUI by the file size and the number of chapters.
If you want to extract only one version, then maybe it makes sense to go by playtime or something else but since I explicitly want to extract and merge all versions I need all segments of all versions.

Let's say I have a movie with two different versions. The segment maps are shown in the info box for each title and I copy them from the GUI:

segment map: 110,116,111,112,113,118,114,120
and
segment map: 110,117,111,112,113,119,114,121

Now I need to know the file names of each segment of the maps to order them correctly after I extracted them. So I go trough the title list till I found the segment 110 and copy the file name. For example: "MovieName_t44.mkv". Then I search for the next segments till I have a file name map:

segment map: t44,t49,t45,t46,t47,t51,t48,t53
and
segment map: t44,t50,t45,t46,t47,t52,t48,t54

After the extraction I know exactly which files/segments belong to version 1 and version 2 and how to order and link them in mkvtoolnix:

t44,t49,t45,t46,t47,t51,t48,t53(,t50,t52,54)
Like I mentioned before, for compatibility reasons it makes sense if one versions plays correctly even if the player doesn't support chapter linking. That's why I place the alternate chapters at the end.
flojo
Posts: 58
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Location: El Paso

Re: Incomplete Segment maps in GUI if map is too long

Post by flojo »


What does "go through" mean?
Mr. Red wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:31 pm
So I go trough
BTW, if you want more info from 'info', you have to add the robot switch (-r) for some reason... is this an oversight?

Seems like segments are in there listed as "TINFO", I doubt they're subject to ellipsis. I'm attaching a link to the full file so you can look the rest of the repeating info. See if you find any other patterns or correlating info. Good luck!

https://ctxt.io/2/AADQSEg-FA (expires in 24hrs)

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:~# ./makemkvcon -r info disc:0
MSG:1005,0,1,"MakeMKV v1.17.5 linux(x64-release) started","%1 started","MakeMKV v1.17.5 linux(x64-release)"
MSG:1009,0,1,"Profile parsing error: default profile missing, using builtin default","Profile parsing error: %1","default profile missing, using builtin default"
DRV:0,2,999,12,"BD-RE ASUS BW-16D1HT 3.02 KL2J5FB2412","GLADIATOR_2000","/dev/sr0"
DRV:1,256,999,0,"","",""
DRV:2,256,999,0,"","",""
DRV:3,256,999,0,"","",""
DRV:4,256,999,0,"","",""
DRV:5,256,999,0,"","",""
DRV:6,256,999,0,"","",""
DRV:7,256,999,0,"","",""
DRV:8,256,999,0,"","",""
DRV:9,256,999,0,"","",""
DRV:10,256,999,0,"","",""
DRV:11,256,999,0,"","",""
DRV:12,256,999,0,"","",""
DRV:13,256,999,0,"","",""
DRV:14,256,999,0,"","",""
DRV:15,256,999,0,"","",""
MSG:1011,0,1,"Using LibreDrive mode (v06.3 id=96929CF53B04)","%1","Using LibreDrive mode (v06.3 id=96929CF53B04)"
MSG:3007,0,0,"Using direct disc access mode","Using direct disc access mode"
MSG:5085,0,0,"Loaded content hash table, will verify integrity of M2TS files.","Loaded content hash table, will verify integrity of M2TS files."
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00105.mpls was added as title #0","File %1 was added as title #%2","00105.mpls","0"
MSG:3307,16777216,2,"File 00219.mpls was added as title #1","File %1 was added as title #%2","00219.mpls","1"
MSG:3309,16777216,2,"Title 00006.mpls is equal to title 00105.mpls and was skipped","Title %1 is equal to title %2 and was skipped","00006.mpls","00105.mpls"
MSG:3309,16777216,2,"Title 00005.mpls is equal to title 00105.mpls and was skipped","Title %1 is equal to title %2 and was skipped","00005.mpls","00105.mpls"
MSG:3309,16777216,2,"Title 00238.mpls is equal to title 00105.mpls and was skipped","Title %1 is equal to title %2 and was skipped","00238.mpls","00105.mpls"
MSG:3309,0,2,"Title 00239.mpls is equal to title 00105.mpls and was skipped","Title %1 is equal to title %2 and was skipped","00239.mpls","00105.mpls"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00241.mpls was added as title #2","File %1 was added as title #%2","00241.mpls","2"
MSG:3307,16777216,2,"File 00242.mpls was added as title #3","File %1 was added as title #%2","00242.mpls","3"
MSG:3309,0,2,"Title 00319.mpls is equal to title 00242.mpls and was skipped","Title %1 is equal to title %2 and was skipped","00319.mpls","00242.mpls"
MSG:3307,16777216,2,"File 00389.mpls was added as title #4","File %1 was added as title #%2","00389.mpls","4"
MSG:3309,0,2,"Title 00390.mpls is equal to title 00241.mpls and was skipped","Title %1 is equal to title %2 and was skipped","00390.mpls","00241.mpls"
MSG:3307,16777216,2,"File 00391.mpls was added as title #5","File %1 was added as title #%2","00391.mpls","5"
MSG:3309,16777216,2,"Title 00415.mpls is equal to title 00389.mpls and was skipped","Title %1 is equal to title %2 and was skipped","00415.mpls","00389.mpls"
MSG:3309,0,2,"Title 00416.mpls is equal to title 00391.mpls and was skipped","Title %1 is equal to title %2 and was skipped","00416.mpls","00391.mpls"
MSG:3307,16777216,2,"File 00254.m2ts was added as title #6","File %1 was added as title #%2","00254.m2ts","6"
MSG:3307,16777216,2,"File 00292.m2ts was added as title #7","File %1 was added as title #%2","00292.m2ts","7"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00388.m2ts was added as title #8","File %1 was added as title #%2","00388.m2ts","8"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00389.m2ts was added as title #9","File %1 was added as title #%2","00389.m2ts","9"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00408.m2ts was added as title #10","File %1 was added as title #%2","00408.m2ts","10"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00376.m2ts was added as title #11","File %1 was added as title #%2","00376.m2ts","11"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00377.m2ts was added as title #12","File %1 was added as title #%2","00377.m2ts","12"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00419.m2ts was added as title #13","File %1 was added as title #%2","00419.m2ts","13"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00000.m2ts was added as title #14","File %1 was added as title #%2","00000.m2ts","14"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00006.m2ts was added as title #15","File %1 was added as title #%2","00006.m2ts","15"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00473.m2ts was added as title #16","File %1 was added as title #%2","00473.m2ts","16"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00474.m2ts was added as title #17","File %1 was added as title #%2","00474.m2ts","17"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00498.m2ts was added as title #18","File %1 was added as title #%2","00498.m2ts","18"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00499.m2ts was added as title #19","File %1 was added as title #%2","00499.m2ts","19"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00500.m2ts was added as title #20","File %1 was added as title #%2","00500.m2ts","20"
MSG:3307,16777216,2,"File 00501.m2ts was added as title #21","File %1 was added as title #%2","00501.m2ts","21"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00502.m2ts was added as title #22","File %1 was added as title #%2","00502.m2ts","22"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00503.m2ts was added as title #23","File %1 was added as title #%2","00503.m2ts","23"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00504.m2ts was added as title #24","File %1 was added as title #%2","00504.m2ts","24"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00505.m2ts was added as title #25","File %1 was added as title #%2","00505.m2ts","25"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00506.m2ts was added as title #26","File %1 was added as title #%2","00506.m2ts","26"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00507.m2ts was added as title #27","File %1 was added as title #%2","00507.m2ts","27"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00508.m2ts was added as title #28","File %1 was added as title #%2","00508.m2ts","28"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00509.m2ts was added as title #29","File %1 was added as title #%2","00509.m2ts","29"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00510.m2ts was added as title #30","File %1 was added as title #%2","00510.m2ts","30"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00511.m2ts was added as title #31","File %1 was added as title #%2","00511.m2ts","31"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00512.m2ts was added as title #32","File %1 was added as title #%2","00512.m2ts","32"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00513.m2ts was added as title #33","File %1 was added as title #%2","00513.m2ts","33"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00514.m2ts was added as title #34","File %1 was added as title #%2","00514.m2ts","34"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00515.m2ts was added as title #35","File %1 was added as title #%2","00515.m2ts","35"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00516.m2ts was added as title #36","File %1 was added as title #%2","00516.m2ts","36"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00517.m2ts was added as title #37","File %1 was added as title #%2","00517.m2ts","37"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00518.m2ts was added as title #38","File %1 was added as title #%2","00518.m2ts","38"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00519.m2ts was added as title #39","File %1 was added as title #%2","00519.m2ts","39"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00520.m2ts was added as title #40","File %1 was added as title #%2","00520.m2ts","40"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00521.m2ts was added as title #41","File %1 was added as title #%2","00521.m2ts","41"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00522.m2ts was added as title #42","File %1 was added as title #%2","00522.m2ts","42"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00523.m2ts was added as title #43","File %1 was added as title #%2","00523.m2ts","43"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00524.m2ts was added as title #44","File %1 was added as title #%2","00524.m2ts","44"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00525.m2ts was added as title #45","File %1 was added as title #%2","00525.m2ts","45"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00526.m2ts was added as title #46","File %1 was added as title #%2","00526.m2ts","46"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00527.m2ts was added as title #47","File %1 was added as title #%2","00527.m2ts","47"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00528.m2ts was added as title #48","File %1 was added as title #%2","00528.m2ts","48"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00529.m2ts was added as title #49","File %1 was added as title #%2","00529.m2ts","49"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00530.m2ts was added as title #50","File %1 was added as title #%2","00530.m2ts","50"
MSG:3307,16777216,2,"File 00531.m2ts was added as title #51","File %1 was added as title #%2","00531.m2ts","51"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00532.m2ts was added as title #52","File %1 was added as title #%2","00532.m2ts","52"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00533.m2ts was added as title #53","File %1 was added as title #%2","00533.m2ts","53"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00534.m2ts was added as title #54","File %1 was added as title #%2","00534.m2ts","54"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00535.m2ts was added as title #55","File %1 was added as title #%2","00535.m2ts","55"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00536.m2ts was added as title #56","File %1 was added as title #%2","00536.m2ts","56"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00537.m2ts was added as title #57","File %1 was added as title #%2","00537.m2ts","57"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00538.m2ts was added as title #58","File %1 was added as title #%2","00538.m2ts","58"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00539.m2ts was added as title #59","File %1 was added as title #%2","00539.m2ts","59"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00540.m2ts was added as title #60","File %1 was added as title #%2","00540.m2ts","60"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00541.m2ts was added as title #61","File %1 was added as title #%2","00541.m2ts","61"
MSG:3307,0,2,"File 00542.m2ts was added as title #62","File %1 was added as title #%2","00542.m2ts","62"
MSG:5011,0,0,"Operation successfully completed","Operation successfully completed"
TCOUNT:63
CINFO:1,6209,"Blu-ray disc"
CINFO:2,0,"Gladiator"
CINFO:28,0,"eng"
CINFO:29,0,"English"
CINFO:30,0,"Gladiator"
CINFO:31,6119,"<b>Source information</b><br>"
CINFO:32,0,"GLADIATOR_2000"
CINFO:33,0,"0"
TINFO:0,2,0,"Gladiator"
TINFO:0,8,0,"2"
TINFO:0,9,0,"0:01:00"
TINFO:0,10,0,"102.2 MB"
TINFO:0,11,0,"107218944"
TINFO:0,16,0,"00105.mpls"
TINFO:0,25,0,"1"
TINFO:0,26,0,"292"
TINFO:0,27,0,"Gladiator_t00.mkv"
TINFO:0,28,0,"eng"
TINFO:0,29,0,"English"
TINFO:0,30,0,"Gladiator - 2 chapter(s) , 102.2 MB"
TINFO:0,31,6120,"<b>Title information</b><br>"
TINFO:0,33,0,"0"
SINFO:0,0,1,6201,"Video"
SINFO:0,0,5,0,"V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC"
SINFO:0,0,6,0,"MpegH"
SINFO:0,0,7,0,"MpegH HEVC Main10@L5.1 (dvhe.07.06 BL+FEL+RPU)"
SINFO:0,0,19,0,"3840x2160"
SINFO:0,0,20,0,"16:9"
SINFO:0,0,21,0,"23.976 (480000/20020)"
SINFO:0,0,22,0,"65536"
SINFO:0,0,28,0,"eng"
SINFO:0,0,29,0,"English"
SINFO:0,0,30,0,"MpegH HEVC Main10@L5.1 (dvhe.07.06 BL+FEL+RPU)"
SINFO:0,0,31,6121,"<b>Track information</b><br>"
SINFO:0,0,33,0,"0"
SINFO:0,0,38,0,""
SINFO:0,0,42,5088,"( Lossless conversion )"
TINFO:1,2,0,"Gladiator"
TINFO:1,8,0,"2"
TINFO:1,9,0,"0:00:21"
TINFO:1,10,0,"14.3 MB"
TINFO:1,11,0,"15003648"
TINFO:1,16,0,"00219.mpls"
TINFO:1,25,0,"1"
TINFO:1,26,0,"418"
TINFO:1,27,0,"Gladiator_t01.mkv"
TINFO:1,28,0,"eng"
TINFO:1,29,0,"English"
TINFO:1,30,0,"Gladiator - 2 chapter(s) , 14.3 MB"
TINFO:1,31,6120,"<b>Title information</b><br>"
TINFO:1,33,0,"0"
SINFO:1,0,1,6201,"Video"
SINFO:1,0,5,0,"V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC"
SINFO:1,0,6,0,"MpegH"
SINFO:1,0,7,0,"MpegH HEVC Main10@L5.1"
SINFO:1,0,19,0,"3840x2160"
SINFO:1,0,20,0,"16:9"
SINFO:1,0,21,0,"23.976 (480000/20020)"
SINFO:1,0,22,0,"0"
SINFO:1,0,28,0,"eng"
SINFO:1,0,29,0,"English"
SINFO:1,0,30,0,"MpegH HEVC Main10@L5.1"
SINFO:1,0,31,6121,"<b>Track information</b><br>"
SINFO:1,0,33,0,"0"
SINFO:1,0,38,0,""
SINFO:1,0,42,5088,"( Lossless conversion )"
TINFO:2,2,0,"Gladiator"
TINFO:2,8,0,"2"
TINFO:2,9,0,"0:00:14"
TINFO:2,10,0,"2.6 MB"
TINFO:2,11,0,"2813952"
TINFO:2,16,0,"00241.mpls"
TINFO:2,25,0,"2"
TINFO:2,26,0,"388,542"
TINFO:2,27,0,"Gladiator_t02.mkv"
TINFO:2,28,0,"eng"
TINFO:2,29,0,"English"
TINFO:2,30,0,"Gladiator - 2 chapter(s) , 2.6 MB"
TINFO:2,31,6120,"<b>Title information</b><br>"
TINFO:2,33,0,"0"
SINFO:2,0,1,6201,"Video"
SINFO:2,0,5,0,"V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC"
SINFO:2,0,6,0,"MpegH"
SINFO:2,0,7,0,"MpegH HEVC Main10@L5.1 (dvhe.07.06 BL+FEL+RPU)"
SINFO:2,0,19,0,"3840x2160"
SINFO:2,0,20,0,"16:9"
SINFO:2,0,21,0,"23.976 (480000/20020)"
SINFO:2,0,22,0,"65536"
SINFO:2,0,28,0,"eng"
SINFO:2,0,29,0,"English"
SINFO:2,0,30,0,"MpegH HEVC Main10@L5.1 (dvhe.07.06 BL+FEL+RPU)"
SINFO:2,0,31,6121,"<b>Track information</b><br>"
SINFO:2,0,33,0,"0"
SINFO:2,0,38,0,""
SINFO:2,0,42,5088,"( Lossless conversion )"
TINFO:3,2,0,"Gladiator"
TINFO:3,8,0,"2"
TINFO:3,9,0,"0:00:14"
TINFO:3,10,0,"2.8 MB"
TINFO:3,11,0,"2936832"
TINFO:3,16,0,"00242.mpls"
TINFO:3,25,0,"2"
TINFO:3,26,0,"389,532"
TINFO:3,27,0,"Gladiator_t03.mkv"
TINFO:3,28,0,"eng"
TINFO:3,29,0,"English"
TINFO:3,30,0,"Gladiator - 2 chapter(s) , 2.8 MB"
TINFO:3,31,6120,"<b>Title information</b><br>"
TINFO:3,33,0,"0"
SINFO:3,0,1,6201,"Video"
SINFO:3,0,5,0,"V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC"
SINFO:3,0,6,0,"MpegH"
SINFO:3,0,7,0,"MpegH HEVC Main10@L5.1 (dvhe.07.06 BL+FEL+RPU)"
SINFO:3,0,19,0,"3840x2160"
SINFO:3,0,20,0,"16:9"
SINFO:3,0,21,0,"23.976 (480000/20020)"
SINFO:3,0,22,0,"65536"
SINFO:3,0,28,0,"eng"
SINFO:3,0,29,0,"English"
SINFO:3,0,30,0,"MpegH HEVC Main10@L5.1 (dvhe.07.06 BL+FEL+RPU)"
SINFO:3,0,31,6121,"<b>Track information</b><br>"
SINFO:3,0,33,0,"0"
SINFO:3,0,38,0,""
SINFO:3,0,42,5088,"( Lossless conversion )"
TINFO:4,2,0,"Gladiator"
TINFO:4,8,0,"28"
TINFO:4,9,0,"2:34:59"
TINFO:4,10,0,"69.3 GB"
TINFO:4,11,0,"74514948096"
TINFO:4,16,0,"00389.mpls"
TINFO:4,25,0,"22"
TINFO:4,26,0,"498,499,500,501,502,503,504,505,506,507,508,509,510,511,512,513,514,515,516,517,518,519"
TINFO:4,27,0,"Gladiator_t04.mkv"
TINFO:4,28,0,"eng"
TINFO:4,29,0,"English"
TINFO:4,30,0,"Gladiator - 28 chapter(s) , 69.3 GB"
TINFO:4,31,6120,"<b>Title information</b><br>"
TINFO:4,33,0,"0"
SINFO:4,0,1,6201,"Video"
SINFO:4,0,5,0,"V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC"
SINFO:4,0,6,0,"MpegH"
SINFO:4,0,7,0,"MpegH HEVC Main10@L5.1 (dvhe.07.06 BL+FEL+RPU)"
SINFO:4,0,19,0,"3840x2160"
SINFO:4,0,20,0,"16:9"
SINFO:4,0,21,0,"23.976 (480000/20020)"
SINFO:4,0,22,0,"65536"
SINFO:4,0,28,0,"eng"
SINFO:4,0,29,0,"English"
SINFO:4,0,30,0,"MpegH HEVC Main10@L5.1 (dvhe.07.06 BL+FEL+RPU)"
SINFO:4,0,31,6121,"<b>Track information</b><br>"
SINFO:4,0,33,0,"0"
SINFO:4,0,38,0,""
SINFO:4,0,42,5088,"( Lossless conversion )"
SINFO:4,1,1,6202,"Audio"
SINFO:4,1,2,0,"Surround 7.1"
SINFO:4,1,3,0,"eng"
SINFO:4,1,4,0,"English"
SINFO:4,1,5,0,"A_DTS"
SINFO:4,1,6,0,"DTS-HD MA"
SINFO:4,1,7,0,"DTS-HD Master Audio"
SINFO:4,1,14,0,"8"
SINFO:4,1,17,0,"48000"
SINFO:4,1,18,0,"24"
SINFO:4,1,22,0,"1024"
SINFO:4,1,28,0,"eng"
SINFO:4,1,29,0,"English"
SINFO:4,1,30,0,"DTS-HD MA Surround 7.1 English"
SINFO:4,1,31,6121,"<b>Track information</b><br>"
SINFO:4,1,33,0,"0"
SINFO:4,1,38,0,"d"
SINFO:4,1,39,0,"Default"
SINFO:4,1,40,0,"7.1"
SINFO:4,1,42,5088,"( Lossless conversion )"
SINFO:4,2,1,6202,"Audio"
SINFO:4,2,2,0,"Surround 5.1"
SINFO:4,2,3,0,"eng"
SINFO:4,2,4,0,"English"
SINFO:4,2,5,0,"A_DTS"
SINFO:4,2,6,0,"DTS"
SINFO:4,2,7,0,"DTS"
SINFO:4,2,13,0,"1.5 Mb/s"
SINFO:4,2,14,0,"6"
SINFO:4,2,17,0,"48000"
SINFO:4,2,22,0,"2304"
SINFO:4,2,28,0,"eng"
SINFO:4,2,29,0,"English"
SINFO:4,2,30,0,"DTS Surround 5.1 English"
SINFO:4,2,31,6121,"<b>Track information</b><br>"
SINFO:4,2,33,0,"0"
SINFO:4,2,38,0,""
SINFO:4,2,40,0,"5.1(side)"
SINFO:4,2,42,5088,"( Lossless conversion )"
SINFO:4,3,1,6202,"Audio"
SINFO:4,3,2,0,"Surround 5.1"
SINFO:4,3,3,0,"fra"
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dcoke22
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Re: Incomplete Segment maps in GUI if map is too long

Post by dcoke22 »

Mr. Red wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:31 pm
I never had trouble to find the correct playlists/segment maps since they are easily recognizable in the MakeMKV GUI by the file size and the number of chapters.
If you want to extract only one version, then maybe it makes sense to go by playtime or something else but since I explicitly want to extract and merge all versions I need all segments of all versions.

Let's say I have a movie with two different versions. The segment maps are shown in the info box for each title and I copy them from the GUI:

segment map: 110,116,111,112,113,118,114,120
and
segment map: 110,117,111,112,113,119,114,121

Now I need to know the file names of each segment of the maps to order them correctly after I extracted them. So I go trough the title list till I found the segment 110 and copy the file name. For example: "MovieName_t44.mkv". Then I search for the next segments till I have a file name map:

segment map: t44,t49,t45,t46,t47,t51,t48,t53
and
segment map: t44,t50,t45,t46,t47,t52,t48,t54

After the extraction I know exactly which files/segments belong to version 1 and version 2 and how to order and link them in mkvtoolnix:

t44,t49,t45,t46,t47,t51,t48,t53(,t50,t52,54)
Like I mentioned before, for compatibility reasons it makes sense if one versions plays correctly even if the player doesn't support chapter linking. That's why I place the alternate chapters at the end.
Do you have to do this with .mkv files or can you use the transport streams from the disc? Segment 117 will always be BDMV/STREAM/00117.m2ts in a decrypted backup from MakeMKV for example. If you can use the transport streams from a MakeMKV backup, it seems like it would save a lot of work trying to translate the segment map into a .mkv file name map.
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Re: Incomplete Segment maps in GUI if map is too long

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Mr. Red wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2023 11:42 am
~ 6. before muxing, set chapter generation for every segment ~
Is this a setting somewhere in MKVToolNix or something you do by hand?

Admittedly I'm running an older version of ToolNix (v67.0.0.27 which is the newest version that will run on Windows 7) but I can't find an option to do this automatically.

It would save me bucket-loads of time if there was!
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Re: Incomplete Segment maps in GUI if map is too long

Post by Radiocomms237 »

Ah, never mind, I found it! It's in the Multiplexer tab (I was looking in the Chapter tab).

It's in the Output tab, on the right, within the "Generating chapters" drop-down box. :D
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Re: Incomplete Segment maps in GUI if map is too long

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dcoke22 wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2023 11:41 pm
Do you have to do this with .mkv files or can you use the transport streams from the disc? Segment 117 will always be BDMV/STREAM/00117.m2ts in a decrypted backup from MakeMKV for example. If you can use the transport streams from a MakeMKV backup, it seems like it would save a lot of work trying to translate the segment map into a .mkv file name map.
Yea you can use the m2ts files :) Thx for the tip.

Radiocomms237 wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:32 am
Ah, never mind, I found it! It's in the Multiplexer tab (I was looking in the Chapter tab).

It's in the Output tab, on the right, within the "Generating chapters" drop-down box. :D

I name the files before muxing to have them in the right order and know to which version they belong. For example "01 Intro" and "01 Intro Extended Cut" etc.
Then it's easy to use the template variables to add them to the generated chapter names:

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<FILE_NAME>
or
Segment <NUM:2> - <FILE_NAME>
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Re: Incomplete Segment maps in GUI if map is too long

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dcoke22 wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2023 11:41 pm
Segment 117 will always be BDMV/STREAM/00117.m2ts...
Is the segment number always in the file name? I'm _GUESSING_ because I don't do whatever the OP does, but in the below is segment "408" in a file named ".../00408.m2ts" ?

TINFO:10,2,0,"Gladiator"
TINFO:10,9,0,"0:00:01"
TINFO:10,10,0,"0.0 MB"
TINFO:10,11,0,"43008"
TINFO:10,16,0,"00408.m2ts"
TINFO:10,25,0,"1"
TINFO:10,26,0,"408"
TINFO:10,27,0,"Gladiator_t10.mkv"
TINFO:10,28,0,"eng"
TINFO:10,29,0,"English"
TINFO:10,30,0,"Gladiator , 0.0 MB"
TINFO:10,31,6120,"<b>Title information</b><br>"
TINFO:10,33,0,"0"

There would also clearly be an association of the blah_t??.mkv filename to the segment(s) within TINFO, ie. "Gladiator_t10.mkv" == "408" == "00408.m2ts"

So the below multiple segments (498,499,500...) are in multiple files named 00498.m2ts, 00499.m2ts, 00500.m2ts... ?

TINFO:4,2,0,"Gladiator"
TINFO:4,8,0,"28"
TINFO:4,9,0,"2:34:59"
TINFO:4,10,0,"69.3 GB"
TINFO:4,11,0,"74514948096"
TINFO:4,16,0,"00389.mpls"
TINFO:4,25,0,"22"
TINFO:4,26,0,"498,499,500,501,502,503,504,505,506,507,508,509,510,511,512,513,514,515,516,517,518,519"
TINFO:4,27,0,"Gladiator_t04.mkv"
TINFO:4,28,0,"eng"
TINFO:4,29,0,"English"
TINFO:4,30,0,"Gladiator - 28 chapter(s) , 69.3 GB"
TINFO:4,31,6120,"<b>Title information</b><br>"
TINFO:4,33,0,"0"

If this is true, then I'm truthfully not understanding why all of this isn't 100% scriptable/automating. There's also a few other pages/threads that are asking the same question(s), so I'm definitely overlooking something.
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Re: Incomplete Segment maps in GUI if map is too long

Post by Radiocomms237 »

The way that the leading zeroes are dropped from the segment maps is a real PIMA (and obviously confusing for others).

I copy 'n paste the file info (including segment maps) into Notepad++, which has a nice feature where if you double-click a number, it will highlight that same number where ever else it appears in the document.

I find this really handy for seeing at a glance what playlists contain a particular segment (and duplicates thereof). The only trouble is, Notepad++ sees "00408" as a different number to "408" so to make this work I have to manually place a space in the transport stream's number (IE. "00 408") and then double-click on the "408".

Seems to me that it would be better (and less confusing) if MakeMKV didn't drop the leading zeroes from segment maps.
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Re: Incomplete Segment maps in GUI if map is too long

Post by flojo »


I took the time and watched the extended version of Gladiator (2000) based on the segment order given by TINFO and it was correct. Unless there's playlist obfustication, it should always be correct.

Of course that doesn't change the fact that the segments printed in the GUI are subject to ellipse but, considering using makemkvcon allows for a faster/better approach...?

While it all appears scriptable, I'm not sure on the handling of subtitles/"Editions"/"Chapter linking"/etc. But what makemkvcon gives you certainly seems enough.

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