WANTED: Results of UHD Rips with Dolby Vision

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suarsg
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Re: WANTED: Results of UHD Rips with Dolby Vision

Post by suarsg » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:21 am

st4evr wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:18 pm
No. That is the HDR10 metadata. It’s clearly telling you what type of metadata it's using by labeling it “Commercial name : HDR10”. It can’t get any clearer than that.

Attempting to “play” that stream will get you nowhere. It’s not an actual standalone video stream.

No info? Google is your friend:

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C9BK ... 30j0i22i30.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C9BK ... M2uqs3g1xU
Well, you are a delight to talk to.

This is the first time I've seen a "remux" MKV have its HDR10 metadata in a 1.6gb separate video stream. It's usually just that first track in MKVs and HDR10 still worked. Why would static meta data for HDR10 be 1.6gb in size? I think you should check some of those links you posted ;)

And MediaInfo telling me that stream is "HDR10" could've been an out-of-date sort of thing if adding DV to MKV was something new and MediaInfo was not yet able to detect it properly - hence my first post.

And by "no info on Google" I meant if there have been any advancement recently in adding DV to MKV, which is exactly like I phrased it in the first place. Typing in "Dolby Vision" into Google will obviously not lead me to an answer to this question.
SamuriHL wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:11 am
Yup, HDR10 not Dolby Vision.
Okay, thank you!

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Re: WANTED: Results of UHD Rips with Dolby Vision

Post by spl147 » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:57 pm

d3rd3vil wrote:I am done with this shit I caved in. Bought an Oppo! Goodbye
ASS!


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Re: WANTED: Results of UHD Rips with Dolby Vision

Post by st4evr » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:33 pm

spl147 wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:57 pm
d3rd3vil wrote:I am done with this shit I caved in. Bought an Oppo! Goodbye
ASS!


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Lulz!

Well technically at this time an Oppo is one of the best ways to view DV content, so can you really blame him? :lol:

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Re: WANTED: Results of UHD Rips with Dolby Vision

Post by SamuriHL » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:45 pm

LMAO. I watch my DV content on my UB820. Oppos are either very expensive or hard to find these days.

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Re: WANTED: Results of UHD Rips with Dolby Vision

Post by spl147 » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:00 pm

st4evr wrote:
spl147 wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:57 pm
d3rd3vil wrote:I am done with this shit I caved in. Bought an Oppo! Goodbye
ASS!


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Lulz!

Well technically at this time an Oppo is one of the best ways to view DV content, so can you really blame him? :lol:
Yea, i didnt understand his attitude, since there are no media players that do dual stream DV anyway. So why get pissy that mkv doesnt support it.


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st4evr
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Re: WANTED: Results of UHD Rips with Dolby Vision

Post by st4evr » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:38 pm

I give you that. I see no reason either to hate or get frustrated over open source development/developers as it does not cost anything to begin with and they have no control over closed source content like DV, but to each their own I guess. :D

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Re: WANTED: Results of UHD Rips with Dolby Vision

Post by babypuncher » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:10 am

Yea, i didnt understand his attitude, since there are no media players that do dual stream DV anyway. So why get pissy that mkv doesnt support it.


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It could be argued that there are no media players that support DV because the containers they support also do not support it. It's a chicken/egg scenario, and I'll argue that the egg (container format) needs to come first in this case.
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Re: WANTED: Results of UHD Rips with Dolby Vision

Post by st4evr » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:56 am

babypuncher wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:10 am
It could be argued that there are no media players that support DV because the containers they support also do not support it. It's a chicken/egg scenario, and I'll argue that the egg (container format) needs to come first in this case.
Well.. that’s the entire point of this thread and one which has been discussed in great detail. We know exactly why DV is currently not supported in the likes of the MKV format. So... we have to either put up with it and wait, or implement the solutions that do work at this time.

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Re: WANTED: Results of UHD Rips with Dolby Vision

Post by SamuriHL » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:58 am

Here's another issue to consider. There's no official licensed player (i.e. PowerDVD) that supports DV on a PC AT ALL. And given that it's a closed format, storing it in a container such as MKV is only one small piece of the much larger puzzle. Even if you could store it properly, there's nothing to play it with. You'd need both decoder and renderer support for it. It's not likely coming any time soon. Measured in years, not weeks or months.

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Re: WANTED: Results of UHD Rips with Dolby Vision

Post by spl147 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:24 pm

SamuriHL wrote:Here's another issue to consider. There's no official licensed player (i.e. PowerDVD) that supports DV on a PC AT ALL. And given that it's a closed format, storing it in a container such as MKV is only one small piece of the much larger puzzle. Even if you could store it properly, there's nothing to play it with. You'd need both decoder and renderer support for it. It's not likely coming any time soon. Measured in years, not weeks or months.
That is exactly my point!


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Re: WANTED: Results of UHD Rips with Dolby Vision

Post by Low Winter Sun » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:22 pm

That 1920x1080 'HDR' layer is the Dolby Vision Metadata. I don't know why folks say MKV doesn't support a separate DV track alongside the HDR track. I've taken a full disk rip (of my legally purchased Valerian UHD), and used MKVtoolnix to mux the HDR and DV tracks from the main .M2TS file together into a single MKV file. Of course I've got nothing to play it back with, but the MKV container holds it just fine. Once someone figures out how to combine the two video tracks into a single video stream, we'll get our DV playback.

You can 'play' the DV layer in VLC, by selecting the second Video track. It looks about as you would expect with funked up colors, but you can see it clearly resembles the HDR track, just at lower resolution, with funked up colors.

Complete name : /valerianDV.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 55.3 GiB
Duration : 2h 17mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 57.8 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2018-09-15 21:02:31
Writing application : mkvmerge v26.0.0 ('In The Game') 64-bit
Writing library : libebml v1.3.6 + libmatroska v1.4.9

Video #1
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Commercial name : HDR10
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
Codec ID : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Duration : 2h 17mn
Bit rate : 44.4 Mbps
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.223
Stream size : 42.5 GiB (77%)
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 632 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 298 cd/m2

Video #2
ID : 2
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Commercial name : HDR10
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
Codec ID : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Duration : 2h 17mn
Bit rate : 8 257 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.166
Stream size : 7.91 GiB (14%)
Default : No
Forced : No
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2

Audio #1
ID : 3
Format : MLP FBA 16-ch
Format/Info : Meridian Lossless Packing FBA with 16-channel presentation
Commercial name : Dolby TrueHD with Dolby Atmos
Codec ID : A_TRUEHD
Duration : 2h 17mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 424 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 7 089 Kbps
Channel(s) : 8 channels
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs Lb Rb
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Frame rate : 1 200.000 fps (40 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossless
Stream size : 4.24 GiB (8%)
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Number of dynamic objects : 15
Bed channel count : 1 channel
Bed channel configuration : LFE

Audio #2
ID : 4
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name : Dolby Digital
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 2h 17mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Frame rate : 31.250 fps (1536 SPF)
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 627 MiB (1%)
Language : English
Service kind : Complete Main
Default : No
Forced : No

Text
ID : 5
Format : PGS
Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 2h 13mn
Bit rate : 43.6 Kbps
Count of elements : 3802
Stream size : 41.7 MiB (0%)
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

suarsg wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:51 am
SamuriHL wrote:
Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:31 pm
It's a closed, proprietary format and no way to store it in MKV.
Today I saw a "release" of a movie that was MKV and had 2 video streams. I assume the second is the Dolby Vision layer.
MediaInfo:

Is it now possible for MKV to have the DV-layer? I can't seem to find any information on the Internet regarding this, I'm no expert though. I have the file and when selecting the second video track the video just stays black in MPC-HC with madVR, just like with the UHD-BD ts-files.

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Re: WANTED: Results of UHD Rips with Dolby Vision

Post by thelittleworm » Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:24 pm

You guys do realize you can make an MP4 (I know not MKV) Dolby Vision back up from an ISO?

You'll need to demux an ISO and grab both video layers. Than you need to run it through a Dolby Vision Mp4muxer which is available for free online. The only caveat is the audio has to be in ac3 format.

But if you really want a Dolby Vision remux it's the only way.

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Re: WANTED: Results of UHD Rips with Dolby Vision

Post by Woodstock » Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:30 pm

The only caveat is the audio has to be in ac3 format.
That's a rather big caveat, considering that AC3 isn't very popular with the UHD crowd.
How to aid in finding the answer to your problem: https://www.makemkv.com/faq/item/8

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Re: WANTED: Results of UHD Rips with Dolby Vision

Post by thelittleworm » Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:43 pm

The point is it works and the only way right now to trigger Dolby vision on an lg oled through USB.

So it's either choose Dolby Vision or choose HD audio.

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Re: WANTED: Results of UHD Rips with Dolby Vision

Post by Billycar11 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:00 am

thelittleworm wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:43 pm
The point is it works and the only way right now to trigger Dolby vision on an lg oled through USB.

So it's either choose Dolby Vision or choose HD audio.
or you could just use a pc the best platform ever and use it as a m2ts file and have Dolby Vision, HDR 10, Atmos, DTS X, True HD, DTS MA HD

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