Unable to read UHD with friendly drives

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jpsdr
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Unable to read UHD with friendly drives

Post by jpsdr » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:37 pm

Hello.

I have the following drives :
ASUS BC-12D2HT With firmware 1.00 (Original)
ASUS BW-16D1HT manufactured february 2015, with firmware 1.01 (Original)
LG BH16NS55 with firmware 1.02 (Original).

Both ASUS stay in "empty mode" when i put an UHD Blu-Ray. The LG detect it properly.
Is it normal that i can't see UHD Blu-Ray with both ASUS ? Is it a too "old/low" version FW issue ?

BW-16D1HT :
I've taken the 3.02 update file from firmware HQ in theses thread. Can i safely update from 1.01 to 3.02, or are 3.xx firmware only for more recent drives ?
Edit :
As i have several drives, i've tried to upgrade to 3.02. It didn't work, the ASUS FW program update i took on FW HQ supposed to upgrade to 3.02 said that my 1.01 FW is up to date... :?

BC-12D2HT :
Is there any FW update, i can apply on a 1.00 FW drive, still allowing me to read UHD Blu-Ray ?

As i use the LG as a Blu-Ray and M-Disc burner, the other drive (i don't connect both ASUS on the same time, it's one or another) is for reading purpose. So i would like to have one of the ASUS being able to read UHD, and free the LG from it, allowing me to update firmware if there is, as its primary function is a burner, and primary function of the other drive is reader.

jpsdr
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Re: Unable to read UHD with friendly drives

Post by jpsdr » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:59 am

As i had several drives, i've tried to force the FW on the 16D1HT.
I've first used the patched FW programmer to force FW to 3.00, and then update with 3.02 from Firmware HQ.
It worked... At least, the FW update part, but now, the drive is dead... :(
It's clear that 3.xx FW are not meant for drive with 1.0x original FW releases. Even if the drive is BW 16D1HT, there is things which are differents, and for both the 16D1HT and 12D2HT, if original FW is 1.0x, it seems that the drive is different, and is not even able to read UHD BR.
At least, that's my conclusion.
I've ordered another 16D1HT, hoping having this time a recent enough manufactured drive, to have at least a 3.00 FW.
If it's successfull, i'll probably a little after buy another one as back-up, and i'll be able to update the FW fo the BH16NS55 without concern.

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Re: Unable to read UHD with friendly drives

Post by jpsdr » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:42 am

My new BW-16D1HT just arrived, this one was manufactured in june 2017, and was with FW 3.01. I've updated to FW 3.02, and everything is fine.
So, the result is that if your BW-16D1HT is "too old", and has an 1.xx FW, you can't use it to read UHD discs, and you can't also force an upgrade to 3.xx FW, you'll screw the drive.
Same for BC-12D2HT, if "too old", it will not work.

I suspect the following, but it's just a guess : These drives, both ASUS and LG are drives which can burn M-Disc. It's possible that all the drive which have the loophole are M-Disc compatible burner, and it's linked to this. The harware (or anything) needed for being able to burn M-Disc, made, "by chance", these drive able to read UHD disc. Maybe UHD Disc and M-Disc share some identical features, but they didn't noticed it in the first place.

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Re: Unable to read UHD with friendly drives

Post by HerpoTheFoul » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:06 pm

jpsdr wrote:Hello.

I have the following drives :
ASUS BC-12D2HT With firmware 1.00 (Original)
ASUS BW-16D1HT manufactured february 2015, with firmware 1.01 (Original)
LG BH16NS55 with firmware 1.02 (Original).
What SVC has your LG?

jpsdr
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Re: Unable to read UHD with friendly drives

Post by jpsdr » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:04 pm

NS55.

PixelCube207
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Re: Unable to read UHD with friendly drives

Post by PixelCube207 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:13 am

jpsdr wrote:Hello.

I have the following drives :
ASUS BC-12D2HT With firmware 1.00 (Original)
ASUS BW-16D1HT manufactured february 2015, with firmware 1.01 (Original)
LG BH16NS55 with firmware 1.02 (Original).

Both ASUS stay in "empty mode" when i put an UHD Blu-Ray. The LG detect it properly.
Is it normal that i can't see UHD Blu-Ray with both ASUS ? Is it a too "old/low" version FW issue ?

BW-16D1HT :
I've taken the 3.02 update file from firmware HQ in theses thread. Can i safely update from 1.01 to 3.02, or are 3.xx firmware only for more recent drives ?
Edit :
As i have several drives, i've tried to upgrade to 3.02. It didn't work, the ASUS FW program update i took on FW HQ supposed to upgrade to 3.02 said that my 1.01 FW is up to date... :?

BC-12D2HT :
Is there any FW update, i can apply on a 1.00 FW drive, still allowing me to read UHD Blu-Ray ?

As i use the LG as a Blu-Ray and M-Disc burner, the other drive (i don't connect both ASUS on the same time, it's one or another) is for reading purpose. So i would like to have one of the ASUS being able to read UHD, and free the LG from it, allowing me to update firmware if there is, as its primary function is a burner, and primary function of the other drive is reader.
Did you create a bin file of the firmware 1.01 from your BW-16D1HT or have the bin file for it? I've been searching everywhere for it on google and cannot find the file.

jpsdr
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Re: Unable to read UHD with friendly drives

Post by jpsdr » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:31 am

PixelCube207 wrote: Did you create a bin file of the firmware 1.01 from your BW-16D1HT or have the bin file for it?
None of them... :(

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Re: Unable to read UHD with friendly drives

Post by awesmdiver » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:59 pm

So, dipping my feet in the waters here and have an Asus BW-16D1HT drive with a mfg date of Jan 2018 with FW 3.02. Reads blu-rays fine, but my system doesn’t see any disc in the drive when I put in an UHD disc.

I figured the “hole” is blocked with FW 3.03, below is the info for the drive - any idea why my system doesn’t see a UHD disc in the drive?

Info for drive [F:] (DVDFab Passkey 9.3.0.2)
Vendor: ASUS, Product: BW-16D1HT
Revision: 3.02, Vendor specific: W000900K92I1QI2433
Drive region: 1 (RPC II), changes left: 4(user) / 4(vendor)
AACS v1, AGIDs: 2, revocation level: MKBv62+
Support: BUS_ENCRYPTION=YES BN_GENERATION=YES
Drive Information
OS device name: F:
Current profile: BD-R SRM
Manufacturer: ASUS
Product: BW-16D1HT
Revision: 3.02
Serial number: K92I1QI2433
Firmware date: 2117-11-15 17:16:
Bus encryption flags: 1F

st4evr
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Re: Unable to read UHD with friendly drives

Post by st4evr » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:42 am

awesmdiver wrote:So, dipping my feet in the waters here and have an Asus BW-16D1HT drive with a mfg date of Jan 2018 with FW 3.02. Reads blu-rays fine, but my system doesn’t see any disc in the drive when I put in an UHD disc.

I figured the “hole” is blocked with FW 3.03, below is the info for the drive - any idea why my system doesn’t see a UHD disc in the drive?

Info for drive [F:] (DVDFab Passkey 9.3.0.2)
Vendor: ASUS, Product: BW-16D1HT
Revision: 3.02, Vendor specific: W000900K92I1QI2433
Drive region: 1 (RPC II), changes left: 4(user) / 4(vendor)
AACS v1, AGIDs: 2, revocation level: MKBv62+
Support: BUS_ENCRYPTION=YES BN_GENERATION=YES
Drive Information
OS device name: F:
Current profile: BD-R SRM
Manufacturer: ASUS
Product: BW-16D1HT
Revision: 3.02
Serial number: K92I1QI2433
Firmware date: 2117-11-15 17:16:
Bus encryption flags: 1F
This has been discussed in multiple topics after its discovery. See this topic here for example:

http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic ... .02#p61880

And the link within that topic will provide additional answers/information on what you need to do.

jcwillia1
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Re: Unable to read UHD with friendly drives

Post by jcwillia1 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:09 pm

I just tried this for the first time this morning.

Put in Star Wars TLJ (the only 4k disc I own) and make mkv came back "no disc" after it spun for 60 seconds...

ASUS BW-12B1ST v1.02 & Win10 in a HP XW4600

I have never had any issues with any regular BR disc with this drive.
?
Thoughts

Billycar11
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Re: Unable to read UHD with friendly drives

Post by Billycar11 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:28 pm

jcwillia1 wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:09 pm

ASUS BW-12B1ST
The ASUS BW-12B1ST is wrongly listed as a friendly drive I have never seen one work

jcwillia1
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Re: Unable to read UHD with friendly drives

Post by jcwillia1 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:55 pm

Billycar11 wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:28 pm
jcwillia1 wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:09 pm

ASUS BW-12B1ST
The ASUS BW-12B1ST is wrongly listed as a friendly drive I have never seen one work
ok thanks! I will stop trying then! :)

jonghotti
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Re: Unable to read UHD with friendly drives

Post by jonghotti » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:34 am

And Star Wars TLJ is one of the hardest 4K UHD titles to rip, hands down :)

jcwillia1
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Re: Unable to read UHD with friendly drives

Post by jcwillia1 » Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:59 am

jonghotti wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:34 am
And Star Wars TLJ is one of the hardest 4K UHD titles to rip, hands down :)
So apparently I really know how to pick em!

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Re: Unable to read UHD with friendly drives

Post by jonghotti » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:22 pm

jcwillia1 wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:59 am
jonghotti wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:34 am
And Star Wars TLJ is one of the hardest 4K UHD titles to rip, hands down :)
So apparently I really know how to pick em!
It’s a bit subjective but for the most part, in my experience, the discs that give these drives + MakeMKV the most trouble are the Disney/Marvel releases.

Maybe Han Solo 4K will be better 🙂

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