Can MakeMKV properly rip 3D Blu-rays?

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Can MakeMKV properly rip 3D Blu-rays?

Post by mike_mgoblue » Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:12 am

QUESTION: Can MakeMKV properly rip 3D Blu-rays?

I have tried to do some research online before giving this a try. Based on what I have read online, it sounds like there is a difference between the Side-by-Side 3D Format and the Top-Bottom 3D Format in terms of whether or not they can be played back properly when in an MKV format. Is this correct? Should I expect problems?

Online I read that the Leawo ripper doesn't have these types of problems. Leawo actually takes a shot at MakeMKV by saying it is older and less reliable. But, I read that on the Leawo website, so obviously they would be trying to promote their own product. I have tried the sample of Leawo and found it has glitches of its own for just 2D Blu-ray movies.

I just want to make sure that if I take the time to backup the 3D Blu-ray by ripping them onto a USB drive to have all the files backed up in one location, I will be able to successfully watch the 3D Blu-rays if I were to connect the USB drive to the SmartTV or if I were to connect the USB Drive to a laptop computer and use some form of player app.

Are there apps that can properly play 3D Blu-ray in the MKV format? I almost always use MPC-BE to watch 2D Blu-rays. But, I haven't tried a 3D Blu-ray before. Will MPC-BE be compatible with both the Side-by-Side 3D Format and the Top-Bottom 3D Format? If not, what app will be compatible with both 3D Formats?

Thank you for answers and help.

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Re: Can MakeMKV properly rip 3D Blu-rays?

Post by preserve » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:07 am

Short answer, yes, MakeMKV works properly with 3D Blu-rays. It copies the data exactly as it is on the disc into the MKV container.

What you do with the MKV afterwards for playback will depend on the requirements and capabilities of your playback software and hardware.

3D Blu-rays are not encoded SBS or Top Bottom, they are encoded as AVC/MVC. This is output by hardware Blu-ray players as frame-packed. (You can use BD3D2MK3D to convert to SBS if you wish.)

Some related threads:

https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9702

https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14456
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Re: Can MakeMKV properly rip 3D Blu-rays?

Post by mike_mgoblue » Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:31 pm

preserve wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:07 am
Short answer, yes, MakeMKV works properly with 3D Blu-rays. It copies the data exactly as it is on the disc into the MKV container.

What you do with the MKV afterwards for playback will depend on the requirements and capabilities of your playback software and hardware.

3D Blu-rays are not encoded SBS or Top Bottom, they are encoded as frame-packed. (You can use BD3D2MK3D to convert to SBS if you wish.)

Some related threads:

https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9702

https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14456
Thank you for responding.

I have used this BD3D2MK3D app, but it seems to have severe problems. For example, BD3D2MK3D specifically say it cannot process Dolby TrueHD audio in the Batman vs Superman Blu-ray I used. It also appears that MD3D2MK3D does not produce exact copies of the video the way MakeMKV does. It seems to be more like Handbrake where it is re-encoded in ways that alter the video bitrate. Is that correct?

If that is correct, it is a BIG disappointment.

Are there any other ways of putting 3D Blu-rays on a hard drive as a backup and in order to have your discs in one place for convenience on a large hard drive?

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Re: Can MakeMKV properly rip 3D Blu-rays?

Post by preserve » Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:50 pm

The limitation is the playback. 3D Blu-rays are not stored as SBS so if your hardware and software requires SBS then you must re-encode the file, although you can do so in sufficiently high quality if you wish.

BD3D2MK3D can do TrueHD with additional demuxing.

This is a good thread re: 3D playback:

https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14456
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Re: Can MakeMKV properly rip 3D Blu-rays?

Post by mike_mgoblue » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:26 am

preserve wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:07 am

3D Blu-rays are not encoded SBS or Top Bottom, they are encoded as frame-packed.
QUESTION: Above, you previously said that "3D Blu-rays are not encoded Side-by-Side or Top Bottom, they are encoded as frame-packed." When I use MPC-HC with madVR to play 3D MVC MKV files, it is seen as a Side-by-Side image on the laptop and on the HDTV screen until I "Manually" select "Side-by-Side" on the HDTV. Then, it becomes a unified 3D image. When this method is used with MPC-HC and madVR, does the resolution remain as high as it is when played directly from the Blu-ray disc on an Xbox One? Or is the resolution cut in half?

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Re: Can MakeMKV properly rip 3D Blu-rays?

Post by preserve » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:39 pm

mike_mgoblue wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:26 am
When I use MPC-HC with madVR to play 3D MVC MKV files, it is seen as a Side-by-Side image on the laptop and on the HDTV screen until I "Manually" select "Side-by-Side" on the HDTV. Then, it becomes a unified 3D image. When this method is used with MPC-HC and madVR, does the resolution remain as high as it is when played directly from the Blu-ray disc on an Xbox One? Or is the resolution cut in half?
Ah I didn't read your other thread carefully enough. I thought that you were talking about a frame-packed output method, which would be full resolution playback, just as if playing the Blu-ray disc itself. If it's on-the-fly SBS, then yes, I'm guessing that the horizontal resolution is being cut in half - you'd be able to tell if the SBS playback appears squished.
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Re: Can MakeMKV properly rip 3D Blu-rays?

Post by mike_mgoblue » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:33 am

preserve wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:39 pm
mike_mgoblue wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:26 am
When I use MPC-HC with madVR to play 3D MVC MKV files, it is seen as a Side-by-Side image on the laptop and on the HDTV screen until I "Manually" select "Side-by-Side" on the HDTV. Then, it becomes a unified 3D image. When this method is used with MPC-HC and madVR, does the resolution remain as high as it is when played directly from the Blu-ray disc on an Xbox One? Or is the resolution cut in half?
Ah I didn't read your other thread carefully enough. I thought that you were talking about a frame-packed output method, which would be full resolution playback, just as if playing the Blu-ray disc itself. If it's on-the-fly SBS, then yes, I'm guessing that the horizontal resolution is being cut in half - you'd be able to tell if the SBS playback appears squished.
I think you are correct that it likely is "frame packed" 3D technology, but I'm not 100% sure. Perhaps if you have any of the Blu-ray 3D movies I'm referring to, you will know. I will explain.

I have tried this on 3D Blu-ray movies such as Terminator Genisys, Superman vs Batman, Wonder Woman, and Justice League. When I play those movies with a player such as VLC or MPC-BE, they play as 2D movies that fill the screen (some of the movies have black bars at the top and bottom). But, the 2D versions of the movies do not play as "on-the-fly Side-by-Side" video. For some reason, when I play the movies with MPC-HC, the entire video for each of those switches to Side-by-Side" video where I am now looking at "two" images of the same movie. The HDTV has the ability to convert those "two" Side-by-Side images into "one" 3D Image when I "Manually" use the HDTV to select "Side-by-Side."

When I play each of those 3D Blu-ray movies in my Xbox One, they are never seen as "Side-by-Side" in any way. Each of those movies is "Automatically" determined to be 3D by the HDTV. The HDTV delivers a message saying "A 3D signal has been detected" and it displays in 3D Automatically.

Do you know if those movies are "Frame Packed" natively on the Blu-ray? Or are they natively "Side-by-Side"? I'm just wondering, because it seems as though Side-by-Side would be limited to half the resolution. But, this seems like something I never even noticed until I saw this on the PC.

Also, today I had a nightmare experience with MPC-HC, because its ability to play 3D movies actually stopped working when I installed Shark Codecs. I literally needed to uninstall every codec and every player and start over. The good news is that I learned a lot more about MPC-HC. I was able to restore the ability of MPC-HC to play 3D MVC MKV movies. And I also learned how to make it so MPC-BE can have that same exact method of playing 3D MVC MKV movies. The key is to make sure the "K-Lite Codec" Package is installed. I will explain this in that other post where I mention this. This means I now know of two PC player apps that easily play 3D Blu-rays in MVC MKV format.
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Re: Can MakeMKV properly rip 3D Blu-rays?

Post by preserve » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:28 am

Yes, the Blu-ray 3D format is natively encoded as “full resolution” (and thus same when MakeMKV rips it), which is output by hardware Blu-ray players as "frame-packed."

When played by software without support, you will see just one of the eyes as 2D playback. (Which is why I always want a proper 2D Blu-ray for the films I own in 3D, and don’t watch 3D Blu-rays as 2D, as there can be a lot of digital painting if it’s a conversion.)

Your current config is outputting with “on-the-fly” processing to SBS and your viewing device is interpreting that output. If you look at that link in my last post you’ll see discussion on playback output as frame-packed with output hardware and viewing device that will support that method.
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