Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

[pete19]

Also, are you saying that MEL would look identical in player-led and tv-led ?

no, not necessarily, but with FEL the differences will be more obvious when testing.

How easy it is to spot these differences also depends on the content.

[userr]

there is some speculation that profile 7 MKVs arent really played in DV with the 2019 shield, the TV gets a DV signal but what is shown is maybe HDR10 only, have there been comparisons made to debunk this speculation?

[lexyz]

userr
Shield plays p7 STDL (mkv or ts) BL and RPU (metadata). It is 100%
FEL is unclear. There is no test patterns to tell for sure.
Probaly new SM UHD Benchmark disk will have one. Will see in Q2'21

But after numerous viewings of "Shuttle scene" in Total Recall I tend to belive Shield just skip FEL and plays BL+RPU only. At least in LLDV mode.
This scene has extremely poorly encoded HDR10 layer and all film grain remains in FEL. So difference BL vs BL+FEL is noticeable.

[RESET_9999]

yep, I'm pretty sure the Shield is ignoring the FEL. Even Nvidia said it only supports MEL.

plus the colors are totally wrong and oversaturated with red spots everywhere. (MEl or FEl or RPU p8)
For UHD-BD rip, HDR10 is better than Dolby Vision on the Shield.
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/9580

[aboulfad]

... For UHD-BD rip, HDR10 is better than Dolby Vision on the Shield.
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/9580

Interesting, I am reaching a similar conclusion for my unrelated limited trials with DV P5 (InfusePro) for ATV4K using yusesope’s mode 2 (which he warned to stay away from but no other choice for ATV4K).

I have ripped 2 DV UHD and tried to compare the ATV+ (iTunes) DV with the mode 2 and HDR10 of the same scenes. It is hard to do a fair comparison as switching between the various apps is slow and my LG TV doesn’t allow screenshots for DV vision.

In terms of my perceived subjective PQ (pic quality):
1- ATV+ iTunes DV - best
2- BD rip -> mkv which plays in HDR10 thru InfusePro - good
3- DV P5 (mode 2) - just ok

[Roberespa]

Updated program tsMuxeR 2020-12-29 Nightly (x64)
I have done it again as you indicated. I took the .mpls from disk 1 and disk 2 and created a m2ts.
Again there is desynchronization
of the audio with the video just when disc two would enter, as I mentioned.

I dont know. The 3 movies are perfectly in sync on my end. both the x700 and on my pc. what media player do you use ?
I did the extended version if that make a difference. Also, i did it a couple weeks ago, so not really the latest tsmuxer version.. Maybe a bug introduced in the latest version?

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Complete name                            : D:\The.Lord.of.the.Rings.1.The.Fellowship.of.the.Ring.2001.DV.ts
Format                                   : MPEG-TS
File size                                : 122 GiB
Duration                                 : 3 h 48 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 76.6 Mb/s
Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 35.5 Mb/s

Video #1
ID                                       : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format                               : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID                                 : 36
Duration                                 : 3 h 48 min
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : PQ
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : Display P3
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level              : 602 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level        : 184 cd/m2

Video #2
ID                                       : 4117 (0x1015)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format                               : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.07.06, EL+RPU, Blu-ray compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID                                 : 6
Duration                                 : 3 h 48 min
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : PQ
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : Display P3
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2

Audio #1
ID                                       : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3 MLP FBA 16-ch
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3 + Meridian Lossless Packing FBA with 16-channel presentation
Commercial name                          : Dolby TrueHD with Dolby Atmos
Muxing mode                              : Stream extension
Codec ID                                 : 131
Duration                                 : 3 h 48 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 448 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 4 992 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 8 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs Lb Rb
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 732 MiB (1%)
Language                                 : English
Service kind                             : Complete Main
Number of dynamic objects                : 11
Bed channel count                        : 1 channel
Bed channel configuration                : LFE

VLC media player
I tried with the Blu-ray version and the tsMuxeR got the same error.

MKVToolNix GUI
Assembles it without problems. But I need to do it with tsMuxer to get Dolby Vision in .m2ts

[Roberespa]

I don't know if maybe the problem lies in the 3-4 seconds that the film turns black
While going to what would be disc 2.

[Vault]

So which players are capable of playing FEL remuxes from network sources (Plex/Emby/SMB), e.g. the full deal retaining the 12bit 4000nits final picture like when playing the original disc?
e.g. remuxed into a TS or MKV container so I can add a high def audio track?

From network? The oppo and that's it.

When you’re doing conversions from a UHD disc to single layer, you’re going to lose data (neglible in MEL). There is currently not a lossless way from converting from double to single layer where the info in the EL is reencoded into the BL; any info in the EL is just being discarded.

Hi Shawnc22,

Like MastaG I was hoping for a 1:1 experience paradise, when I read a few weeks ago that MKV + DV was live.
But I understand (thanks to you + contributors) that YTD it remains a lossy process, even using 1.15.4.

I had in mind to convert the ISOs I have : MakeMKV + playback via Shield Pro (those 2 purchases on hold for now).
But it seems that those ISOs, through Oppo or Clone, are still the way to go if we want 1:1 DV + HD audio tracks ?

Or am I getting something wrong here ? Any light appreciated.

PS : reading below Reset_9999, seems the Shield's ignoring FEL. So that wraps it up... 2020. What a nightmare

[shawnc22]

Hi Shawnc22,

Like MastaG I was hoping for a 1:1 experience paradise, when I read a few weeks ago that MKV + DV was live.
But I understand (thanks to you + contributors) that YTD it remains a lossy process, even using 1.15.4.

I had in mind to convert the ISOs I have : MakeMKV + playback via Shield Pro (those 2 purchases on hold for now).
But it seems that those ISOs, through Oppo or Clone, are still the way to go if we want 1:1 DV + HD audio tracks ?

Or am I getting something wrong here ? Any light appreciated.

PS : reading below Reset_9999, seems the Shield's ignoring FEL. So that wraps it up... 2020. What a nightmare

The conversion process used by makemkv 1.15.3+ is in itself a lossless conversion. The issue is that no current devices can play them (FEL titles) in their full capacity. The Oppo and its clones (iso/ts remux) or an x700 (ts remux) then are your only options for 1:1 playback.

[lexyz]

But if you have a Sony Bravia TV with LLDV there is a dilemma :
- Play it on BR player or clone with artefacts and muted colors
- Play it on Shield TV Pro with richer but inaccurate colors (red push) and without EL
- Play it on any device as HDR10 version with proper colors.

I suggest Bravia owners like myself drop DV playback for UHD BR.
Bravias doesn't aggressively tonemap HDR and usually good in tracking PQ curve. So picture is quite close to creators intend for HDR version.

DV in streaming apps is a different story.

[userr]

But if you have a Sony Bravia TV with LLDV there is a dilemma :
- Play it on BR player or clone with artefacts and muted colors
- Play it on Shield TV Pro with richer but inaccurate colors (red push) and without EL
- Play it on any device as HDR10 version with proper colors.

I suggest Bravia owners like myself drop DV playback for UHD BR.
Bravias doesn't aggressively tonemap HDR and usually good in tracking PQ curve. So picture is quite close to creators intend for HDR version.

DV in streaming apps is a different story.

i dont understand what you mean with
- Play it on BR player or clone with artefacts and muted colors

even with bravia tv, playing a UHD with for example oppo in player-led, isnt the picture as good as for example LG (using player-led with oppo)

[lexyz]

There is no reason to use player-led (LLDV) on LG
For Sony it is only option (except XH90)

[userr]

There is no reason to use player-led (LLDV) on LG
For Sony it is only option (except XH90)

i understand that.
what im saying is that, using player-led with an oppo for example, still makes use of dual-layer/single-layer-makemkv-files profile7, its just not "the best" as tv-led

[Vault]

The Oppo and its clones (iso/ts remux) or an x700 (ts remux) then are your only options for 1:1 playback.

Thank you for the precise feedback. Appreciated.
Hoping for a better option/MKV update in the future.

And btw : wishing everyone a great new year's eve

[magnetoeric]

Hi Shawnc22,

Like MastaG I was hoping for a 1:1 experience paradise, when I read a few weeks ago that MKV + DV was live.
But I understand (thanks to you + contributors) that YTD it remains a lossy process, even using 1.15.4.

I had in mind to convert the ISOs I have : MakeMKV + playback via Shield Pro (those 2 purchases on hold for now).
But it seems that those ISOs, through Oppo or Clone, are still the way to go if we want 1:1 DV + HD audio tracks ?

Or am I getting something wrong here ? Any light appreciated.

PS : reading below Reset_9999, seems the Shield's ignoring FEL. So that wraps it up... 2020. What a nightmare

The conversion process used by makemkv 1.15.3+ is in itself a lossless conversion. The issue is that no current devices can play them (FEL titles) in their full capacity. The Oppo and its clones (iso/ts remux) or an x700 (ts remux) then are your only options for 1:1 playback.

I'm planning to get x700. Do you know whether it can play DV with FEL in m2ts container? I have an old bdp s6700 which can play m2ts remuxes fine (although only 1080p).