StudioCanal Early Hitchcock Set

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koberulz
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StudioCanal Early Hitchcock Set

Post by koberulz » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:10 pm

These all successfully created MKV files, but when I skip around it gets really blocky and horrible for a second or two, as shown in the attached screenshot.

It's irritating but workable on my PC. On the other hand, when I play them on my TV through emby, they're like that for the entire duration of the film. It's completely unwatchable.

I've also attached a log of one of my attempts with one of the discs. The problem happens 100% of the time on 100% of the discs in this set. Other discs have been just fine.
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Woodstock
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Re: StudioCanal Early Hitchcock Set

Post by Woodstock » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:17 pm

Most likely reason is that MPEG video streams do not have "every frame" in them; They have "Key" frames at intervals, and frames between key frame are the difference between the current frame and the previous frame. These differences accumulate, and jumping to a non-key frame won't display the whole image. This is why it clears up after a moment on the computer; the next key frame is read, and things get back on track.

As to why the TV would have an issue when served through Emby, I cannot say. I have no experience with Emby. What happens if you play from a USB attached to the TV?
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d00zah
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Re: StudioCanal Early Hitchcock Set

Post by d00zah » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:16 pm

Emby MAY be transcoding, in which case it will require time to 'catch up' (re-buffer) when skipping around?

When you say 'on my TV through emby', do you mean:

- via an Emby TV client app?
- TV player via Emby DLNA?
- EMC (Emby WMC client)?

koberulz
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Re: StudioCanal Early Hitchcock Set

Post by koberulz » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:25 am

@Woodstock: All my other DVD rips can be skipped around just fine. They also play back perfectly through emby. I'm guessing there's a connection between those two things.

@d00zah: I'm starting from the beginning and playing the entire first minute or so, I'm not skipping around. All my other DVD rips are fine. The only difference is that these are region two and the others are region four.

I'm playing it through my LG OLED55C6, through the emby app.

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Re: StudioCanal Early Hitchcock Set

Post by Woodstock » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:37 pm

Region should not matter - MakeMKV will remove region coding.
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d00zah
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Re: StudioCanal Early Hitchcock Set

Post by d00zah » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:46 pm

I THINK the issue comes down to region 1 (60Hz) vs region 2 (50Hz)? TV may not be coping well with the PAL refresh rate.

koberulz
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Re: StudioCanal Early Hitchcock Set

Post by koberulz » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:04 pm

@Woodstock: It shouldn't, but it's the only difference I can think of between these DVDs, which are having GOP issues on PC and playback issues on my TV, and all my other DVDs, which are fine.

@d00zah: I'm in Australia, 99% of my DVDs are PAL. Everything else works fine.

d00zah
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Re: StudioCanal Early Hitchcock Set

Post by d00zah » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:09 pm

koberulz wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:04 pm
@d00zah: I'm in Australia, 99% of my DVDs are PAL. Everything else works fine.
Sorry. Gotta work on reading comp. Always the 1st thing to go... today. :(

edit: Do Emby media info reports for each region indicate any glaring differences?

koberulz
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Re: StudioCanal Early Hitchcock Set

Post by koberulz » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:57 pm

I tried putting it on a USB and plugging it straight into the TV. Same problem, so it's definitely not emby that's causing it. I've attached a photo of what it looks like on the TV, this is after a minute and a half of continuous playback. It's looked like this the whole time (albeit with the blocks moving around, obviously).

MediaInfo for The Ring (1928):

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General
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 2
File size                                : 3.44 GiB
Duration                                 : 1 h 25 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 5 726 kb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-02-10 20:51:52
Writing application                      : MakeMKV v1.14.2 win(x64-release)
Writing library                          : libmakemkv v1.14.2 (1.3.5/1.4.7) win(x64-release)
Original source medium                   : DVD-Video

Video
ID                                       : 1
ID in the original source medium         : 224 (0xE0)
Format                                   : MPEG Video
Format version                           : Version 2
Format profile                           : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP                    : Yes
Format settings, Matrix                  : Default
Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=26
Format settings, picture structure       : Field
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG2
Codec ID/Info                            : MPEG 1 or 2 Video
Duration                                 : 1 h 25 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 5 497 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 8 000 kb/s
Width                                    : 720 pixels
Height                                   : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 4:3
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
Standard                                 : PAL
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Interlaced
Scan order                               : Top Field First
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.530
Time code of first frame                 : 09:59:59:00
Time code source                         : Group of pictures header
GOP, Open/Closed                         : Open
Stream size                              : 3.30 GiB (96%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No
Color primaries                          : BT.601 PAL
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.470 System B, BT.470 System G
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.601

Audio
ID                                       : 2
ID in the original source medium         : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                           : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : A_AC3
Duration                                 : 1 h 25 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 224 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 spf)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 138 MiB (4%)
Title                                    : Stereo
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Menu
00:00:00.000                             : en:Chapter 01
00:08:16.080                             : en:Chapter 02
00:15:39.080                             : en:Chapter 03
00:21:20.280                             : en:Chapter 04
00:28:57.720                             : en:Chapter 05
00:35:59.440                             : en:Chapter 06
00:41:57.720                             : en:Chapter 07
00:50:12.120                             : en:Chapter 08
00:57:33.000                             : en:Chapter 09
01:03:54.920                             : en:Chapter 10
01:09:23.760                             : en:Chapter 11
01:20:25.880                             : en:Chapter 12

MediaInfo for a functioning episode of The West Wing:

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General
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 2
File size                                : 1.66 GiB
Duration                                 : 41 min 6 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 5 793 kb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-02-06 17:55:24
Writing application                      : MakeMKV v1.14.2 win(x64-release)
Writing library                          : libmakemkv v1.14.2 (1.3.5/1.4.7) win(x64-release)
Original source medium                   : DVD-Video

Video
ID                                       : 1
ID in the original source medium         : 224 (0xE0)
Format                                   : MPEG Video
Format version                           : Version 2
Format profile                           : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP                    : Yes
Format settings, Matrix                  : Custom
Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=15
Format settings, picture structure       : Frame
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG2
Codec ID/Info                            : MPEG 1 or 2 Video
Duration                                 : 41 min 6 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 5 587 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 7 500 kb/s
Width                                    : 720 pixels
Height                                   : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 4:3
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
Standard                                 : PAL
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Interlaced
Scan order                               : Top Field First
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.539
Time code of first frame                 : 00:59:58:00
Time code source                         : Group of pictures header
GOP, Open/Closed                         : Open
GOP, Open/Closed of first frame          : Closed
Stream size                              : 1.60 GiB (96%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No

Audio
ID                                       : 2
ID in the original source medium         : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Format profile                           : Dolby Digital
Mode extension                           : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : A_AC3
Duration                                 : 41 min 6 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 spf)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 56.5 MiB (3%)
Title                                    : Stereo
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Text #1
ID                                       : 3
ID in the original source medium         : 189 (0xBD)-32 (0x20)
Format                                   : VobSub
Codec ID                                 : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info                            : Picture based subtitle format used on DVDs
Duration                                 : 40 min 56 s
Bit rate                                 : 4 070 b/s
Count of elements                        : 645
Stream size                              : 1.19 MiB (0%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Text #2
ID                                       : 4
ID in the original source medium         : 189 (0xBD)-33 (0x21)
Format                                   : VobSub
Codec ID                                 : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info                            : Picture based subtitle format used on DVDs
Duration                                 : 40 min 56 s
Bit rate                                 : 4 221 b/s
Count of elements                        : 663
Stream size                              : 1.24 MiB (0%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No

Menu
00:00:00.080                             : en:Chapter 01
00:14:19.160                             : en:Chapter 02
00:23:29.360                             : en:Chapter 03
00:31:23.840                             : en:Chapter 04
00:40:27.360                             : en:Chapter 05
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d00zah
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Re: StudioCanal Early Hitchcock Set

Post by d00zah » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:25 pm

Really didn't think it was Emby. Rather suspected the TV player.

My early experiments with Emby/SMART TVs indicated a problem w/ VOBSUBs, but in your case, the 'good' files have the embedded subs... so that's not it.

Unsure what the differences imply, but obviously the TV has an issue with 'em. Based on the linked info, I believe Woodstock explained the issue in his 1st reply. The TV just can't seem to recover.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_of_pictures


BAD:

Format settings, Matrix : Default
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=26
Format settings, picture structure : Field

Color primaries : BT.601 PAL
Transfer characteristics : BT.470 System B, BT.470 System G
Matrix coefficients : BT.601

vs

GOOD:

Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15
Format settings, picture structure : Frame

GOP, Open/Closed of first frame : Closed

koberulz
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Re: StudioCanal Early Hitchcock Set

Post by koberulz » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:34 pm

So basically I can't ever watch these on my TV?

Not sure what picture structure is, or what M and N mean. I've only heard of I, B and P.

d00zah
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Re: StudioCanal Early Hitchcock Set

Post by d00zah » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:51 pm

koberulz wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:34 pm
So basically I can't ever watch these on my TV?
Without a deeper understanding of what offends the TV, I don't know. Possibly not in their original format? Handbrake (or VidCoder) could convert them to something the TV plays? Experiment... try one.

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Re: StudioCanal Early Hitchcock Set

Post by Grauhaar » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:58 pm

GOP (Group of Pictures) means the Group starts with an I-Frame (one complete picture) and a number of delta pictures which are only includes the difference to the previous picture, after this the next GOP starts and so on. In your case, the one DVD uses 15 Pictures (1x I-Frame and 14x Delta) the other uses 26 Pictures (1 I-Frame and 25 Delta). Maybe the GOP size is to huge for the TV. An TV signal has some limits for the GOP size and DVD content can use larger GOP sizes.
You can try to reenocde the DVD with Handbrake and maybe you can specify a max GOP size. Never used it with this specific options. Or buy an External Media Player connected to the TV via HDMI which plays anything.

koberulz
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Re: StudioCanal Early Hitchcock Set

Post by koberulz » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:11 pm

I'm aware of that, but that doesn't explain what M and N are.

As far as re-encoding, that means a) quality loss and b) chapter-point loss.

d00zah
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Re: StudioCanal Early Hitchcock Set

Post by d00zah » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:20 pm

koberulz wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:11 pm
I'm aware of that, but that doesn't explain what M and N are.

As far as re-encoding, that means a) quality loss and b) chapter-point loss.
Might want to contact LG support & see what they have to say? It's their player & it's neither a MakeMKV, not Emby problem.

Admittedly, my eyes are poor, but I reprocess every DVD I rip with VidCoder (for general compatibility) & see little loss. Plus, Emby allows multiple versions to 'live in harmony'.

& I retain my chapter-points. Check your config.

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